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Summary After 32 years of marriage, Steven Rubenstein came out at 55 with no idea what his future would hold. He feared he was too old to find love, carried tremendous guilt over the pain his decision caused his family, and described the future ahead of him as simply “blank.” What followed surprised him: new friendships, solo adventures, a sense of belonging he had never experienced before—and the realization that coming out had given him what felt like a second chance at life. Then Steven met acclaimed choreographer and artist David Rousseve. In this episode of Out Late With David, Steven shares the difficult transition from marriage to an authentic gay life before David joins the conversation to tell the wonderfully unlikely story of how they met and fell in love. Together, Steven and David reflect on relationships, race, aging, authenticity, loss and the courage required to change direction when the life you’re living no longer fits. David also discusses how his own journey, including the loss of his former husband, influenced his deeply personal solo work BECOMING DADDY AF. Their story is a reminder that stepping into the unknown can be terrifying—but the life waiting on the other side may be bigger, richer and filled with more love than you ever imagined. Takeaways 1. The future we fear is often not the future that awaits us. Steven went into coming out imagining loneliness. He couldn’t picture a partner and thought that, at 55, he was already past his “shelf life.” Instead, he discovered community, desire, travel, independence, belonging and eventually David. Importantly, the interview doesn’t minimize what his decision cost his former wife and family. Both realities exist at once. 2. Authenticity can require disrupting a life that isn’t obviously broken. One of the most interesting aspects of Steven’s story is that he doesn’t rewrite his marriage as miserable. He says it was a good marriage and acknowledges the very real pain his coming out caused. David describes a parallel experience decades earlier: abandoning an expected professional path, ending an engagement to a woman and confronting his sexuality. Both men ultimately chose authenticity without pretending those choices were painless. 3. Reinvention doesn’t end with coming out. The second half broadens the episode beyond Steven’s coming-out story. Steven and David found one another after each had already lived a substantial adult life and experienced long-term relationships. David’s DADDY AF takes that idea further: aging itself becomes another invitation to ask what life means, what remains unfinished, and how love, loss, race, ancestry and mortality shape the person we are still becoming. Sound Bites 1. Steven — the episode-defining quote “I felt like I was getting a second chance at life, like it was a game of pinball and I got an extra ball.” 2. Steven — on fearing he had waited too long “At 55, I was persuaded that I was an expired carton of milk, way past my shelf life.” 3. Steven — on what actually happened “I thought my life would end when I came out. My life began.” 4. David — on choosing a different life “There are junctures in life where you have to examine everything and be bold enough to make different choices.” 5. Steven — advice to someone afraid to come out “Trust that process…and that it’s never too late.” 6. David — on listening to yourself “If I can quiet my mind and follow what my heart says to do, it has never led me wrong.” 7. David — on what ultimately matters “Love is actually the core of what we’re living for.” 8. Steven — the emotional wedding moment “My mom said to me…‘Now I have two sons.’” Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com   YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/uMMW34iyurE   YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg   Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com   Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com https://linktr.ee/davidacotton © 2026 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.

Never Too Late — A Season 4 Teaser   Before Season 4 of Out Late With David begins, I wanted to share something a little different: “Never Too Late,” a song inspired by the stories, courage, and journeys we explore on this podcast. At the heart of Out Late With David is a simple belief: it’s never too late to live your truth, to become more fully yourself, or to begin a new chapter.   Thank you to everyone who has listened, shared an episode, reached out, and offered your feedback and encouragement. Your support means more to me than you know—and it continues to shape this show and the conversations we share.   Enjoy “Never Too Late,” and stay tuned. Season 4 is coming soon. Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/   YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/eHZL3RKIQ1I   YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg   Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/  or https://www.DavidCotton.com  Contact David:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqazY4U004NGpVT3Q1SGVhYmxZSUs2a0txdFRHUXxBQ3Jtc0ttOE51VU9CeXRxY3htejdQTHpPbWFYdGkyd2o1dklsZUxYTnhtWUd1T010T2RWSU1famo4a0ctdjdyZldYWUtZcTNRemMzT1hrd2t4OWdyRURBRmxGTlA1ZmNzVXl3Sjd2LVZRUnQ0dGhMNGdoenp3Zw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.DavidCottonCoaching.com%2F&v=HNGYxa-fGt8 https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbmhiSjNUUkxqbDFNcW80RHNWV1REeF9HdHlyUXxBQ3Jtc0tuRUFmdFhxMmV2Q2tfeThyQmxlLWJQVHdnelFoY3V4TXpXUS15SFFVRG9QRVdsank0enlNOUwzazB2dnh4TDBHTnUwaHM0X3ZoUXMtM3NIOEprektlUzRuUHBkUU1KZUNLQWtRcXVSODJqU2tkc1RBTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.OutLateWithDavid.com%2F&v=HNGYxa-fGt8 https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbFE5UmRKZHUzM0tsQ0djUW9kVk9RNkFtYWJzUXxBQ3Jtc0tramo3ZnNjSE9raEhvN01pS0xhU0VlZ2l0RnhCNE1yZlo4azJsR1h5aGNJSDllQ0lYUXRFMHpSYVVHM1RzdTlZTnlvcFZ5Q0NZb3RuNkQ3eFVGa01yWHNmaU9aQTJKN0drbjBrTWpqdGJJQkJ1WkRJQQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Flinktr.ee%2Fdavidacotton&v=HNGYxa-fGt8   © 2026 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.