Using NYM in dVPN mode doesn’t feel particularly different from Mullvad on the UX side. The Mixnet is totally different feeling. As in it’s way way slower. MPRs are just better at protecting your browsing activity. Since the UX is not particularly different, putting them on a separate page would just be helping traditional VPNs for no reason. All 3 recommended VPNs likely have significantly more money than Nym or Obscura, so there’s no reason they couldn’t make their own MPR. Mullvad literally did by partnering with Obscura but it’s Obscura’s product.

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Thanks a lot for your response here. Have you tried doing any real-time gaming or anything that demands good latency over speed? When you say “same area” do you mean same country or just roughly the same geographic location (eg: DE → NL or something)? For context: I currently have Mullvad set up 2x (once on my router, and then once on my PC), so a sort of bastardized double-hop. Latency is mostly fine, in local game servers I tend to get around a ~40-60ms latency bump (so we’re talking from ~10-20ms to anywhere from ~50-80ms) which I still find to be in a perfectly playable range.

Expert4870: > Mixnet mode I don’t see the point of but maybe it’s a proof-of-concept. I get like 100 to 1000Kbps. It’s really meant for stuff that can handle being slow. So, stuff like email or messaging. It’ll probably be more useful when they add support for selecting whether a specific app uses dVPN or mixnet mode (in the split tunneling options). I think that’s on their roadmap somewhere, but IDK when they’re going to actually implement it. Expert4870: > I remember reading on here someone suggested you can get residential IPs on Nym and I did just notice that in the server info it says the IP type. All the ones i’ve noticed have been “Datacenter IP”. I’m curious about this as I see no filter option. In my experience, the residential IPs have made no difference regarding sites blocking me/CAPTCHA. Sometimes they’re actually worse. Not sure if this is because they’re not actually residential IPs or if it’s because so many people are using those IPs that they get flagged as suspicious.

No apologies needed. cedarwind1: > @Expert4870 : apologies for the tag, but I wondered how you got on in the last week or so? How are you finding latency in particular on the regular mode (if you’ve measured it at all)? The Android app is decent. I don’t think it’s slower than Mullvad. Both apps work but aren’t as good as Mullvad’s. The Mac app is significantly less good than Mullvad’s. I like how on Mullvad it’s just a menu bar item and the whole app is there–at least I’m used to it. It makes sense being in the menu bar being a utility so I don’t love how you get a whole window with Nym and then have to open it to see status. I was just testing speed and it’s actually pretty similar to Mullvad multi-hop or even faster when I set everything within the same area. Only a few tests but yeah I have no problem with speed. Mixnet mode I don’t see the point of but maybe it’s a proof-of-concept. I get like 100 to 1000Kbps. The interesting thing is it’s a very different experience to being on a spotty network like a plane or cellular, for example. It’s a strong connection, just very very slow. * Most static or lightweight websites seem to take 3-6 seconds to load. * YouTube didn’t load in 30 seconds so i quit. * LinkedIn loaded in 15 seconds but a broken version without UI just like a brand new html site but with all the words. * The largest site on 512kb.club loads in 4 seconds and the lowest ones load in 1-2 seconds If I manually select servers it seems to fail connecting a lot at least just now on my Mac but if I choose safest it works. It has pretty good auto-connect on Android but not as good as Mullvad because I’ve noticed Nym not connecting occasionally. I think the app is sound just certain servers fail completely. Just now I was trying to select a different exit server in the Mac app and it just wasn’t changing. * You don’t get all the DNS options Mullvad gives, you just get “Block ads”. No idea how well the adblock works because my browsers have it. * One big missing feature is “Lockdown mode” on Mac, which Mullvad has which blocks your computer from connecting to the internet when not on Mullvad, but I didn’t actually use that most of the time. On Android, the system handles preventing leaks. That’s not to say the apps are bad UX wise, just Mullvad’s just seem pretty much perfected. It’s cool each server you can see a lot of info about it and each has its own notes. spoiler For the price I’m pretty happy. I remember reading on here someone suggested you can find residential IPs on Nym and I did just notice that in the server info it says the IP type. All the ones i’ve noticed have been “Datacenter IP”. I’m curious about this.

Nym is still significantly cheaper than Mullvad if you buy the one-year plan. And if you pay with $NYM it’s about 1/3 the price of Mullvad.

It looks like Nym have moved over to their new pricing scheme now. I was hoping it’d have lasted until the end of the month for payday etc, as I was going to try out via the 2 year plan. The best you can get now is $3/mo paying in 6-month increments by paying with their Nym token. Really poor move to say you’re moving to a new scheme “soon” but not providing a deadline, IMO. @Expert4870 : apologies for the tag, but I wondered how you got on in the last week or so? How are you finding latency in particular on the regular mode (if you’ve measured it at all)?

ShadowNet is an anonymous routing protocol that forces all connections (system-wide) to go through Tor while implementing Mixnet-like techniques/Hardening of the OS

The Tor Browser and also the Tor VPN (referring to Orbot) are using a different exit node for each destination address you connect to (in Orbot you need to activate this). Since Orbot is technically just a VPN, I wonder if it would be possible for normal VPNs and/or Multi-Party Relays/mixnet VPNs like Obscura and Nym to use a different exit server per address?

Hey - it’s a decentralized version of Chaumian access tokens (e-cash, and yes, you don’t need us to get Chaumian access tokens (i.e. zk-nyms). For the ambitious, you can try it here: External Image nym.com ### Pay as You Go: Decentralized Access to the Nym Network | Nym How to access the Nym network directly with $NYM tokens and anonymous zk-nym credentials. No account, no subscription, no identity revealed. So you pay the smart contract directly in NYM token (we don’t care how you get them!) and then you get your zk-nym access token back. However, right now it’s a bit daunting for normal users, we hope to embed this whole flow in the NymVPN app soon so if you only need Nym for a few gigabytes you can just pay for that anonymously.. Nym SA is certainly not raising the price of the token. The token is given to the nodes, some via inflation as network capacity is MUCH larger than demand. That makes price lower if anything of NYM token. The NYM token price changes with supply and demand everyday, it’s out of our hands at this point.

The wallet app is really buggy. Can’t send or receive and it froze.

They are increasing their prices so I was considering buying something but it just seems weird for a privacy-focused VPN to have so many trackers/third parties. https://csp-report.browser-intake-datadoghq.com https://nym.com/monitoring https://auth.privy.io https://r.stripe.com https://q.stripe.com 2 years of Mullvad would be $122.82 so I’m gonna get the 2 year plan of NYM for $28.68. There’s no M series Mac Nym Wallet???

@harryhalpin Pay attention to what’s highlighted in red on your updated website and take another look at my questions: And don’t forget that someday or even tomorrow, Mixnet won’t be “enough.” You know that. You have to convince me with facts, not with lab reports, even formal ones.

I’ll have to be quick - but Tor and NymVPN’s “fast mode” do not defend against a global powerful adversary - an enemy able to watch all packets in the network. The Tor USENIX paper and Nym’s whitepaper go into details. However, NymVPN’s mixnet defeats this at a high cost to speed (i.e. it’s slower than Tor right now). So Nym’s tech is new but more anonymous, so it depends on your threat model and personal choice. Decentralization is very hard, agree 100%. However, I do think given that decentralized VPNs are about as performant as centralized VPNs, that no one in their right mind should use a centralized VPN (at least if they have your credit card data, but even then they have both ends of your traffic). It’s honestly dangerous to hand that much information about you to a single third-party. A decentralized VPN paid for ideally in anonymous cryptocurrency (although Nym de-links even credit card payments with anonymous credentials - a design from the Freedom Network that is older than even Tor) is the way to go I think.

There’s one tracker `https://nym.com/monitoring?o=967446&p=4510941535993856&r=us` on the pricing page and when you go to checkout there’s a stripe tracker `https://r.stripe.com/b`. Now that may be unavoidable for the stripe checkout, but people paying with crypto shouldn’t be subjected to it imo. I know it’s a little thing but mullvad’s `https://mullvad.net/en/account` page does not have any trackers until you load up the credit card purchase page and none when paying with crypto.