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courtneymilan.com
The DOJ continues to be hard up for an actual argument, because it then goes on to cite Ememrich de Vattel's treatise on THE LAW OF NATIONS, which as you will note, was written in 1797 and has absolutely no fucking bearing on the text of the Fourteenth Amendment.
“[N]atural-born citizens,” Vattel wrote, include “those 15 born in a country, of parents who are citizens.” Ememrich de Vattel, The Law of Nations § 212, at 101 (London, printed for G.G. and J. Robinson, Paternoster-Row, 1797 ed.). Citizenship by virtue of birth in the country also extends to the children of “perpetual inhabitants” of that country, whom Vattel regarded as “a kind of citize[n].” Id.; see also id. § 215, at 102. According to Vattel, citizenship does not extend, however, to children of those foreigners who lack “the right of perpetual residence” in the country. Id. § 213, at 102.
February 5, 2025 at 1:05 AM
abstracttruth.northsky.social
Came across this photo of Vattel Cherry & me December 2018.
I'm playing bass on the left in the conventional fashion. On the right is Vattel who has flipped his bass upside down and is dancing aggressively towards me with it.
May 20, 2025 at 10:49 PM
eliavl.bsky.social
Vattel, on the responsibility of a leader that engages in war not as last resort:
March 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM
josepagliery.bsky.social
To argue that undocumented immigrants necessarily give birth to stateless kids, the feds quote Swiss philosopher Emerich de Vattel that "children follow the condition of their fathers."

But note the irony. 14A came about because slaves were denied citizenship. It meant to break the umbilical chain.
April 1, 2026 at 1:01 PM
evanbernick.bsky.social
If you don’t intend to become any kind of expert on Founding-era international law, here’s a good shortcut to what you’re dealing with.

Is someone citing Vattel for anti-immigrant policy? The argument is bad, move on.
Fourth: As Vattel and other international law scholars emphasized, control of national borders was a recognized prerogative of sovereignty. A person who entered a host country illegally—even from a friendly nation—could not qualify as an alien friend, and was, therefore, an alien enemy.
March 25, 2025 at 8:33 PM
abstracttruth.northsky.social
RIP Jeese Jackson. The back of Vattel Cherry's bass December 2019. The pin button reads "New Yorkers for Jesse Jackson '88.
The back of Vattel Cherry's double bass. There is a shoulder covering in a type of African fabric with a pin button which reads "New Yorkers for Jesse Jackson '88).
February 17, 2026 at 12:44 PM
monarchdiaries.bsky.social
The brief even cites Vattel, an 18th century SWISS THEORIST whose views on citizenship were EXPLICITLY REJECTED by American law!

Vattel himself acknowledged England followed birthright citizenship, which America inherited. Citing him here is worse than a distraction, it's intellectually dishonest.
September 30, 2025 at 2:55 AM
evanbernick.bsky.social
Vattel represented a civil law tradition with very limited influence on U.S. law and U.S. legal authorities rejected him re: citizenship in particular.
March 25, 2025 at 8:35 PM
rmfifthcircuit.bsky.social
All Vattel says, as far as I can tell, is if you go abroad and cause trouble, your misconduct isn’t imputed to your country unless they ratify it. It’s just a chapter on vicarious liability of states. I also don’t really get the point, I was hoping reading Vattel would help, but no.
vast and dreadful scene of plunder between nation and nation. § 73. The However, as it is impossible for the best regulated state, acts of indi or for the most vigilant and absolute sovereign, to model at viduals are his pleasure all the actions of his subjects, and to confine not to be imputed to them on every occasion to the most exact obedience, it would the nation, be unjust to impute to the nation or the sovereign every fault committed by the citizens. We ought not, then, to say, in general, that we have received an injury from a nation because we have received it from one of its members. § 74. unless But, if a nation or its chief approves and ratifies the act it approves of the individual, it then becomes a public concern; and the or ratifies injured party is to consider the nation as the real author of them. the injury, of which the citizen was perhaps only the instru- §75. Con- ment. duct to be If the offended state has in her power the individual who the offended has done the injury, she may without scruple bring him to party. justice and punish him. If he has escaped and returned to
February 21, 2026 at 3:57 AM
kvarnsen.bsky.social
oh man, the birthers were ALL-IN on Vattel as an authority
February 21, 2026 at 3:59 AM
profgabriele.com
Also man a mid 18th c treatise is not a hinge upon which to rest your argument if you don’t in any way situate Vattel within a context of 18th c theories of monarchy
September 24, 2025 at 7:29 PM
abstracttruth.northsky.social
I haven't played with Vattel since 2019 I think. Vattel is mostly doing his Triangle Afrobeat Orchestra these days.
February 17, 2026 at 2:51 PM
rmfifthcircuit.bsky.social
Anyway, I have no idea what Thomas means when he says a citizen can indebt the executive to a foreign sovereign for his personal misconduct.
live Laws made by one nation. Locke g-+1, at 5ot. When a person goes abroad, he must resort to the political branches (and ultimately the military)-rather than the ju-diciary-for protection, can indebt the executive to foreign nations for his personal misconduct, and can trigger a foreign conflict. See Vattel 161-163, 281-289; 2 F. Wharton,
February 21, 2026 at 3:53 AM
will-smiley.bsky.social
Even Vattel, who was fine with just about any pretext for the use of force, would not see this as a just cause for war.
bcfinucane.bsky.social Brian Finucane @bcfinucane.bsky.social · Jan 9
POTUS has a psychological need being a well established legal basis for using force under U.S. and international law.
bcfinucane.bsky.social Brian Finucane @bcfinucane.bsky.social · Jan 8
And why is ownership of Greenland important for the U.S.?

“Because that’s what I feel is psychologically needed for success.”
January 9, 2026 at 12:21 AM
harlangcohen.bsky.social
The person who just sat down next to me on the plane to Marseille just opened up a large copy of a Vattel. #ESIL23 or breezy beach reading?
August 29, 2023 at 2:46 PM
rmfifthcircuit.bsky.social
Thomas keeps citing a 17th century treatise, Vattel, and I went to find it, and it definitely has some interesting commentary, such as this explanation that maybe priests violate the law of nations by not being fecund.
subjects for the state has a right to expect more favour from it than the man who chooses to live for himself alone.* Every thing tending to depopulate a country is a defect in a state not overstocked with inhabitants. We have already spoken of convents and the celbacy of priests. It is strange that establishments so directly repugnant to the duties of a man and citizen, as well as to the advantage and safety of society, should have found such favour, and that princes, instead of opposing them, as it was their duty to do, should have protected and enriched them. A system of policy, that dex-trously took advantage of superstition to extend its own power,
February 21, 2026 at 3:36 AM
momus.bsky.social
They should have kept reading Vattel, they might have found his "Golden Rule of Sovereigns":

"One cannot complain when he is treated as he treats others." (The Law of Nations)
April 1, 2026 at 1:59 PM
triangleafrobeat.bsky.social
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Triangle Afrobeat Orchestra - Decolonize Your Mind (Official Music Video)
YouTube video by Vattel Cherry
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September 28, 2025 at 3:23 AM
joedudekjd.bsky.social
Between Vattel and the 14th Amendment, we founded a nation on the self-evident truth that all people are created equal. Every corollary of that truth renders Vattel anti-American. People are not created more or less worthy of citizenship, and our society perpetuates itself as a plural democracy.
March 31, 2026 at 9:06 PM
triangleafrobeat.bsky.social
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Triangle Afrobeat Orchestra - Let Your Spirit Be Your Guide (Official Music Video)
YouTube video by Vattel Cherry
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September 28, 2025 at 3:24 AM
herakleitosmd.bsky.social
Vattel (big name in #intlaw)... failed to obtain a writing grant for his classic "Le Droit des Gens" (1758), according to Béguelin (1929). When the Seven Years' War is on its way, he teases Saxon minister Brühl: "you just lost two castles, my 📖 could help you to convince allies to help you...".
January 7, 2025 at 11:26 AM
maltlicknursery.bsky.social
Charles Gayle - Consecration

Charles Gayle saxophone, bass clarinet
Michael Wimberly violin
Vattel Cherry bass
William Parker bass

Digital Album
released October 3, 2025
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October 8, 2025 at 11:15 PM
constitutionctr.bsky.social
#OnThisDay in 1767, Emer de Vattel dies. Swiss-born Vattel’s teachings about international law and sovereignty were carefully studied by American statesmen.

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The Law of Nations (1758) | Constitution Center
National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for The Law of Nations (1758)
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December 28, 2025 at 7:10 PM
silviovannini.bsky.social
And way longer than it needed to be
It had to be shorter and as sharp as a razor
It's vested in the legislative
Locke, de Vattel, Blackstone, they don't belong here: we have to follow the supreme law of the Land
February 21, 2026 at 6:07 AM
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August 3, 2025 at 4:58 PM