A quick update on the chatmail relays hosted by sus.fr

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A quick update on the chatmail relays hosted by sus.fr

Delta Chat also allows you to use multiple (unlimited?) Chatmail relays simultaneously, so that there is not a significant impact if one is blocked or simply goes offline, although this is a feature that I think is shared with SimpleX. I don’t quite remember how having multiple message relays works with SimpleX, I’d have to read their docs again.

there is another angle to this - resistence to mass censorship. signal, session, simplex (default smp servers everyone use) - all are trivially blocked. even all main public chatmail servers are blocked. but using delta chat over goverment-approved national email services was a stable way to get in touch with people. sure it’s probably not complicated to crack down and ban such accounts, but so far it’s flying so low under the radar that noone cares

dngray: > This isn’t what I mean. I mean that instant messengers usually have a sequence of establishing a connection and then messages back and forth over the channel. Email is designed so you can drop an email in someone’s inbox without ever “adding them” or having any kind of handshake. That would matter, except the chatmail servers are configured to drop all non-encrypted messages, so unless you publicly drop an invite link to your profile somewhere (thus sharing your public key), all unsolicited messages will be dropped. Well, I suppose it does still matter a bit if you communicate with people you don’t trust regularly. I couldn’t say if they’ve added an additional step to specifically accept or reject new contacts for cases where you have indeed publicly shared your invite link or QR code since I don’t really use it at the moment. dngray: > Yes, and this does happen in countries that are determined to do censorship. Either they don’t really care and a lot of alternatives that are better will work, or they will block all the major providers. There are different levels of censorship. In the case that they are heavily censoring, then generally it’s just better to use a proxy anyway rather than build something into the app that will become outdated in a year or two. dngray: > And notoriously insecure with many parts to make it more secure. It was developed in a time when there were a small number of universities on the internet with real people who had phone numbers to call each other. From the way you make it sound, Gmail’s infra would be hacked every day. Email is indeed not particularly secure in general, but that’s largely because 99.99% of emails are plaintext at some point between the clients. dngray: > No, something designed for a specific purpose with thoughtful design is better. Alrighty then, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. dngray: > Email notoriously has inefficient transport encoding MIME as well. And we’re back to this. At least I agree with this. dngray: > TLDR is it’s a huge surface area, and a huge number of of crappy standards to make it somewhat usable in today’s world. Just gonna note that SimpleX was far, far buggier and frankly barely usable for a number of group chats the last time I tried it. I will take somewhat usable over barely usable.

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