Because here's the brass tacks:
The only clean way to make hydrogen is using clean electricity.
We waste much more of that clean electricity electrolyzing water than we do charging a battery. That means we will need to deploy more clean electricity to power FCEVs than BEVs.
It's not complicated.
The only clean way to make hydrogen is using clean electricity.
We waste much more of that clean electricity electrolyzing water than we do charging a battery. That means we will need to deploy more clean electricity to power FCEVs than BEVs.
It's not complicated.
June 12, 2024 at 9:27 PM
Because here's the brass tacks:
The only clean way to make hydrogen is using clean electricity.
We waste much more of that clean electricity electrolyzing water than we do charging a battery. That means we will need to deploy more clean electricity to power FCEVs than BEVs.
It's not complicated.
The only clean way to make hydrogen is using clean electricity.
We waste much more of that clean electricity electrolyzing water than we do charging a battery. That means we will need to deploy more clean electricity to power FCEVs than BEVs.
It's not complicated.
🚘Fully electric cars (BEVs) – 75-80% efficient.
🚘Hydrogen fuel cell cars (FCEVs) – 25-35% efficient.
🚘Hybrids (HBEVs) – 25-35% efficient.
🚘Fully Internal combustion engine cars (ICE) – 15-22% efficient.
🚘Hydrogen fuel cell cars (FCEVs) – 25-35% efficient.
🚘Hybrids (HBEVs) – 25-35% efficient.
🚘Fully Internal combustion engine cars (ICE) – 15-22% efficient.
August 19, 2026 at 4:54 PM
🚘Fully electric cars (BEVs) – 75-80% efficient.
🚘Hydrogen fuel cell cars (FCEVs) – 25-35% efficient.
🚘Hybrids (HBEVs) – 25-35% efficient.
🚘Fully Internal combustion engine cars (ICE) – 15-22% efficient.
🚘Hydrogen fuel cell cars (FCEVs) – 25-35% efficient.
🚘Hybrids (HBEVs) – 25-35% efficient.
🚘Fully Internal combustion engine cars (ICE) – 15-22% efficient.
Against my better judgment I'm replying once more.
There are many very smart engineers out there. Have you notice how many are working on BEVs vs those working on FCEVs?
Do you suppose everyone is under a massive delusion which only you have seen through?
There are many very smart engineers out there. Have you notice how many are working on BEVs vs those working on FCEVs?
Do you suppose everyone is under a massive delusion which only you have seen through?
June 12, 2024 at 9:26 PM
Against my better judgment I'm replying once more.
There are many very smart engineers out there. Have you notice how many are working on BEVs vs those working on FCEVs?
Do you suppose everyone is under a massive delusion which only you have seen through?
There are many very smart engineers out there. Have you notice how many are working on BEVs vs those working on FCEVs?
Do you suppose everyone is under a massive delusion which only you have seen through?
(2) The $80 million Hydrogen Highways program has been cancelled - looks like it only ever spent $5 million. Perhaps recognition that even heavy road transport is likely to be largely BEVs not FCEVs. Good to see the government backing off before funding too many white elephants
March 26, 2025 at 5:19 AM
(2) The $80 million Hydrogen Highways program has been cancelled - looks like it only ever spent $5 million. Perhaps recognition that even heavy road transport is likely to be largely BEVs not FCEVs. Good to see the government backing off before funding too many white elephants
I know Honda has been investigating these. My next vehicle will be a hybrid unless the FCEVs are available
February 6, 2025 at 5:59 PM
I know Honda has been investigating these. My next vehicle will be a hybrid unless the FCEVs are available
Even a bunch of prominent energy expert people have picked up this word.
What a cool and important place to be Part Of The Conversation
What a cool and important place to be Part Of The Conversation
November 28, 2025 at 7:57 PM
Even a bunch of prominent energy expert people have picked up this word.
What a cool and important place to be Part Of The Conversation
What a cool and important place to be Part Of The Conversation
Even here in Canada 'Clean Energy Canada' fights against FCEVs that are cleaner than batteries and solve the problems people have with batteries all while saying it is OK to keep using oil for now.
It would be comical if this wasn't so important.
FCEVs: cleaner, more Canadian jobs, fast refills, ...
It would be comical if this wasn't so important.
FCEVs: cleaner, more Canadian jobs, fast refills, ...
These are the nuts holding back progress on reducing emissions. All they do is allow fossil fuels to burn unabated. Recognizing we are all dependent on fossil fuels is the first step to reducing dependency. Just like alcoholism. Carrying protest signs & singing kumbaya is not a solution.
“False” climate solutions help keep fossil fuel firms in business
https://www.byteseu.com/1709092/
From cross-border pipelines for green hydrogen that can also carry natural gas, to sustainable aviation fuel that threatens forests, and costly carbon capture projects that are used to recover …
https://www.byteseu.com/1709092/
From cross-border pipelines for green hydrogen that can also carry natural gas, to sustainable aviation fuel that threatens forests, and costly carbon capture projects that are used to recover …
January 13, 2026 at 8:04 PM
Even here in Canada 'Clean Energy Canada' fights against FCEVs that are cleaner than batteries and solve the problems people have with batteries all while saying it is OK to keep using oil for now.
It would be comical if this wasn't so important.
FCEVs: cleaner, more Canadian jobs, fast refills, ...
It would be comical if this wasn't so important.
FCEVs: cleaner, more Canadian jobs, fast refills, ...
Switching to cleaner EVs, BEVs and FCEVs, we eliminate about 1/3 of the emissions.
As an added benefit we eliminate energy imports and all the money spent for transportation stays in each province.
As an added benefit we eliminate energy imports and all the money spent for transportation stays in each province.
May 6, 2025 at 12:22 AM
Switching to cleaner EVs, BEVs and FCEVs, we eliminate about 1/3 of the emissions.
As an added benefit we eliminate energy imports and all the money spent for transportation stays in each province.
As an added benefit we eliminate energy imports and all the money spent for transportation stays in each province.
If you saw my previous post comparing FCEVs (hydrogen) to BEVs I had selected the only Teslas with the same range as the FCEVs.
It also uses clean hydrogen from Ontario's grid.
It is the bar chart.
The default scatter chart shows that even using dirty hydrogen the FCEV is cleaner than many BEVs.
It also uses clean hydrogen from Ontario's grid.
It is the bar chart.
The default scatter chart shows that even using dirty hydrogen the FCEV is cleaner than many BEVs.
December 10, 2024 at 9:42 PM
If you saw my previous post comparing FCEVs (hydrogen) to BEVs I had selected the only Teslas with the same range as the FCEVs.
It also uses clean hydrogen from Ontario's grid.
It is the bar chart.
The default scatter chart shows that even using dirty hydrogen the FCEV is cleaner than many BEVs.
It also uses clean hydrogen from Ontario's grid.
It is the bar chart.
The default scatter chart shows that even using dirty hydrogen the FCEV is cleaner than many BEVs.
Toyota will be providing a mix of clean vehicles - hydrogen FCEVs, BEVs and hybrids.
Toyota is the smartest car maker in the world.
They will also use clean fuels for the hybrids.
Toyota FCEVs at the event:
Century (FCEV)
light-duty truck (FCEV)
Coaster (FCEV) buses
GranAce (FCEV)
Crown Sedan (FCEV)
Toyota is the smartest car maker in the world.
They will also use clean fuels for the hybrids.
Toyota FCEVs at the event:
Century (FCEV)
light-duty truck (FCEV)
Coaster (FCEV) buses
GranAce (FCEV)
Crown Sedan (FCEV)
Toyota brings hydrogen to the Hakone Ekiden with fuel cell versions of familiar models
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Toyota brings hydrogen to the Hakone Ekiden with fuel cell versions of familiar models
Toyota has outlined hydrogen fuel cell versions of current vehicles. In this article, we stick to what Toyota has confirmed and explain what the announcement means for Toyota’s wider hydrogen line-up,...
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January 10, 2026 at 11:26 PM
Toyota will be providing a mix of clean vehicles - hydrogen FCEVs, BEVs and hybrids.
Toyota is the smartest car maker in the world.
They will also use clean fuels for the hybrids.
Toyota FCEVs at the event:
Century (FCEV)
light-duty truck (FCEV)
Coaster (FCEV) buses
GranAce (FCEV)
Crown Sedan (FCEV)
Toyota is the smartest car maker in the world.
They will also use clean fuels for the hybrids.
Toyota FCEVs at the event:
Century (FCEV)
light-duty truck (FCEV)
Coaster (FCEV) buses
GranAce (FCEV)
Crown Sedan (FCEV)
Nice to see.
Now they need to show equal support for the actual clean and best fitting option - FCEVs and clean hydrogen.
A hydrogen filling station and supply cost more but also provides the ability to refill 8+ times more vehicles in the same time frame and in a much smaller space.
Now they need to show equal support for the actual clean and best fitting option - FCEVs and clean hydrogen.
A hydrogen filling station and supply cost more but also provides the ability to refill 8+ times more vehicles in the same time frame and in a much smaller space.
OTTAWA — The federal government announced $25 million in funding today for companies to build more than 850 electric vehicle chargers, mostly in Quebec. #Ottawa #Quebec
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Ottawa funds $25M for companies to build EV chargers, buy natural gas-powered trucks
OTTAWA — The federal government announced $25 million in funding today for companies to build more than 850 electric vehicle chargers, mostly in Quebec. The money will also help companies finance the ...
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August 14, 2025 at 4:52 PM
Nice to see.
Now they need to show equal support for the actual clean and best fitting option - FCEVs and clean hydrogen.
A hydrogen filling station and supply cost more but also provides the ability to refill 8+ times more vehicles in the same time frame and in a much smaller space.
Now they need to show equal support for the actual clean and best fitting option - FCEVs and clean hydrogen.
A hydrogen filling station and supply cost more but also provides the ability to refill 8+ times more vehicles in the same time frame and in a much smaller space.
Great news here. Again, it's Hyundai as the driving factor w/ 21 Hydrogen Fuel Cell Trucks along w/ a $7.6B investment in Savannah. Hyundai is a great example of understanding battery cells & fuel cells are cousins and work together. Hyundai makes BEVs & FCEVs but knows FCEVs are a smart LT path.
Hydrogen-powered trucks are now in Georgia. A planned $33M station will fuel them
$33M hydrogen fueling station coming to Georgia to support semitrucks
North Carolina-based HydroFleet said it will invest nearly $33 million to build a hydrogen production and fueling station in the Savannah suburb of Pooler.
www.ajc.com
February 4, 2025 at 8:58 PM
Great news here. Again, it's Hyundai as the driving factor w/ 21 Hydrogen Fuel Cell Trucks along w/ a $7.6B investment in Savannah. Hyundai is a great example of understanding battery cells & fuel cells are cousins and work together. Hyundai makes BEVs & FCEVs but knows FCEVs are a smart LT path.
Yeah it's a dire situation, unsurprisingly. Sales of passenger car FCEVs peaked in 2022 and are now in the single digits, and the fleet of registered FCEVs has been declining for over a year:
April 1, 2025 at 12:53 PM
Yeah it's a dire situation, unsurprisingly. Sales of passenger car FCEVs peaked in 2022 and are now in the single digits, and the fleet of registered FCEVs has been declining for over a year:
Not an issue with FCEVs.
January 29, 2026 at 3:51 PM
Not an issue with FCEVs.
obvious solution is to stop making battery vehicles the priority.
Make the cleaner and far less resource dependent FCEVs the primary solution.
Less conflict, cleaner, lighter, faster refills, more good jobs, clean the air as you drive ...
So why do our "greens" fight against them?
Elon Musk.
2/2
Make the cleaner and far less resource dependent FCEVs the primary solution.
Less conflict, cleaner, lighter, faster refills, more good jobs, clean the air as you drive ...
So why do our "greens" fight against them?
Elon Musk.
2/2
October 5, 2025 at 2:03 PM
obvious solution is to stop making battery vehicles the priority.
Make the cleaner and far less resource dependent FCEVs the primary solution.
Less conflict, cleaner, lighter, faster refills, more good jobs, clean the air as you drive ...
So why do our "greens" fight against them?
Elon Musk.
2/2
Make the cleaner and far less resource dependent FCEVs the primary solution.
Less conflict, cleaner, lighter, faster refills, more good jobs, clean the air as you drive ...
So why do our "greens" fight against them?
Elon Musk.
2/2
All EVs are better than oil burners.
According to the IEA "If recycling is scaled effectively, recycling can reduce lithium and nickel demand by 25%, and cobalt demand by 40% in 2050"
Not circular.
We could reduce mining right now by 50% to 70% if we focused on FCEVs.
www.iea.org/reports/ev-b...
According to the IEA "If recycling is scaled effectively, recycling can reduce lithium and nickel demand by 25%, and cobalt demand by 40% in 2050"
Not circular.
We could reduce mining right now by 50% to 70% if we focused on FCEVs.
www.iea.org/reports/ev-b...
EV Battery Supply Chain Sustainability – Analysis - IEA
EV Battery Supply Chain Sustainability - Analysis and key findings. A report by the International Energy Agency.
www.iea.org
August 22, 2025 at 1:47 PM
All EVs are better than oil burners.
According to the IEA "If recycling is scaled effectively, recycling can reduce lithium and nickel demand by 25%, and cobalt demand by 40% in 2050"
Not circular.
We could reduce mining right now by 50% to 70% if we focused on FCEVs.
www.iea.org/reports/ev-b...
According to the IEA "If recycling is scaled effectively, recycling can reduce lithium and nickel demand by 25%, and cobalt demand by 40% in 2050"
Not circular.
We could reduce mining right now by 50% to 70% if we focused on FCEVs.
www.iea.org/reports/ev-b...
As an added bonus producing/using clean hydrogen also produces heat.
Use the heat from production for greenhouses & district heating. This improves efficiency & lowers costs.
FCEVs use fuel cells that also produce heat. No need to drain the battery for heat.
This improves FCEV efficiency.
4/4
Use the heat from production for greenhouses & district heating. This improves efficiency & lowers costs.
FCEVs use fuel cells that also produce heat. No need to drain the battery for heat.
This improves FCEV efficiency.
4/4
October 11, 2025 at 6:25 PM
As an added bonus producing/using clean hydrogen also produces heat.
Use the heat from production for greenhouses & district heating. This improves efficiency & lowers costs.
FCEVs use fuel cells that also produce heat. No need to drain the battery for heat.
This improves FCEV efficiency.
4/4
Use the heat from production for greenhouses & district heating. This improves efficiency & lowers costs.
FCEVs use fuel cells that also produce heat. No need to drain the battery for heat.
This improves FCEV efficiency.
4/4
Sorry - something else.
Yes Canada can supply many of those materials eventually.
But Canada cannot supply enough for the world.
Canada could supply enough battery materials etc for up to almost 10 times more FCEVs & hybrids vs 1 pure battery vehicle.
That is a lot of really clean vehicles.
Yes Canada can supply many of those materials eventually.
But Canada cannot supply enough for the world.
Canada could supply enough battery materials etc for up to almost 10 times more FCEVs & hybrids vs 1 pure battery vehicle.
That is a lot of really clean vehicles.
October 5, 2025 at 2:12 PM
Sorry - something else.
Yes Canada can supply many of those materials eventually.
But Canada cannot supply enough for the world.
Canada could supply enough battery materials etc for up to almost 10 times more FCEVs & hybrids vs 1 pure battery vehicle.
That is a lot of really clean vehicles.
Yes Canada can supply many of those materials eventually.
But Canada cannot supply enough for the world.
Canada could supply enough battery materials etc for up to almost 10 times more FCEVs & hybrids vs 1 pure battery vehicle.
That is a lot of really clean vehicles.
lol how about:
-continue to not invest in product
-put more models on ancient nissan platforms
-spend a few more billion on FCEVs
-continue to not invest in product
-put more models on ancient nissan platforms
-spend a few more billion on FCEVs
December 17, 2024 at 5:52 PM
lol how about:
-continue to not invest in product
-put more models on ancient nissan platforms
-spend a few more billion on FCEVs
-continue to not invest in product
-put more models on ancient nissan platforms
-spend a few more billion on FCEVs
elon wants them too.
elon builds batteries.
We have traded oil wars for battery wars.
elon and his team have been fighting against the option that doesn't require all the new mines and is actually cleaner - clean hydrogen and FCEVs.
elon builds batteries.
We have traded oil wars for battery wars.
elon and his team have been fighting against the option that doesn't require all the new mines and is actually cleaner - clean hydrogen and FCEVs.
March 4, 2025 at 1:18 AM
elon wants them too.
elon builds batteries.
We have traded oil wars for battery wars.
elon and his team have been fighting against the option that doesn't require all the new mines and is actually cleaner - clean hydrogen and FCEVs.
elon builds batteries.
We have traded oil wars for battery wars.
elon and his team have been fighting against the option that doesn't require all the new mines and is actually cleaner - clean hydrogen and FCEVs.
Honda and Toyota were the first.
Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, Renault + build FCEVs.
Major truck brands build FCEVs.
Major bus brands too, including New Flyer. New Flyer is Canadian and uses fuel cells from Ballard in Canada.
Canadian fuel cells power trains and ships too.
Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, Renault + build FCEVs.
Major truck brands build FCEVs.
Major bus brands too, including New Flyer. New Flyer is Canadian and uses fuel cells from Ballard in Canada.
Canadian fuel cells power trains and ships too.
February 6, 2025 at 6:37 PM
Honda and Toyota were the first.
Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, Renault + build FCEVs.
Major truck brands build FCEVs.
Major bus brands too, including New Flyer. New Flyer is Canadian and uses fuel cells from Ballard in Canada.
Canadian fuel cells power trains and ships too.
Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, Renault + build FCEVs.
Major truck brands build FCEVs.
Major bus brands too, including New Flyer. New Flyer is Canadian and uses fuel cells from Ballard in Canada.
Canadian fuel cells power trains and ships too.
The Toyota Marai uses 5.6kg of hydrogen to travel 647km.
In total that German plant could refill a Toyota Marai 67,857 times.
The Marai battery is 1.24 kWh, about 800 times smaller than an equal size/range battery car.
Canada could produce 800 FCEVs with the same mining etc needed for 1 BEV.
2/2
In total that German plant could refill a Toyota Marai 67,857 times.
The Marai battery is 1.24 kWh, about 800 times smaller than an equal size/range battery car.
Canada could produce 800 FCEVs with the same mining etc needed for 1 BEV.
2/2
October 17, 2025 at 10:49 PM
The Toyota Marai uses 5.6kg of hydrogen to travel 647km.
In total that German plant could refill a Toyota Marai 67,857 times.
The Marai battery is 1.24 kWh, about 800 times smaller than an equal size/range battery car.
Canada could produce 800 FCEVs with the same mining etc needed for 1 BEV.
2/2
In total that German plant could refill a Toyota Marai 67,857 times.
The Marai battery is 1.24 kWh, about 800 times smaller than an equal size/range battery car.
Canada could produce 800 FCEVs with the same mining etc needed for 1 BEV.
2/2
Hydrogen Dreams, Fiscal Nightmares: South Korea’s Stubborn Bet on FCEVs
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Hydrogen Dreams, Fiscal Nightmares: South Korea’s Stubborn Bet on FCEVs - CleanTechnica
Billions in subsidies and empty stations: inside South Korea’s fragile hydrogen experiment as global sales of fuel-cell vehicles collapse.
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November 8, 2025 at 7:19 PM
Hydrogen Dreams, Fiscal Nightmares: South Korea’s Stubborn Bet on FCEVs
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Greece has registered its first #hydrogen passenger vehicles. Two Toyota Mirai FCEVs, deployed through the TRIERES Hydrogen Valley project, mark a key step for #zeroemission mobility.
#HydrogenNow #FCEV #CleanTransport #EnergyTransition
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#HydrogenNow #FCEV #CleanTransport #EnergyTransition
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July 31, 2026 at 3:49 PM
Greece has registered its first #hydrogen passenger vehicles. Two Toyota Mirai FCEVs, deployed through the TRIERES Hydrogen Valley project, mark a key step for #zeroemission mobility.
#HydrogenNow #FCEV #CleanTransport #EnergyTransition
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#HydrogenNow #FCEV #CleanTransport #EnergyTransition
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