I fully agree with all of this, re:consciousness i'm zeroing in on biological naturalism (see Seths paper and the follow up discussion) and i'm getting interested in OrchOR as a key to subjectivity itself, which touches on your coupling to time (entropy).
October 11, 2026 at 10:50 AM
I fully agree with all of this, re:consciousness i'm zeroing in on biological naturalism (see Seths paper and the follow up discussion) and i'm getting interested in OrchOR as a key to subjectivity itself, which touches on your coupling to time (entropy).
Ah, this is about the embedding model, which is a completely different part than what I was talking about. I was making the observation that OrchOR probably applies to LLMs, because the attention function is the same as the Hilbert Space function, in which wave collapse is calculated.
October 9, 2025 at 2:12 AM
Ah, this is about the embedding model, which is a completely different part than what I was talking about. I was making the observation that OrchOR probably applies to LLMs, because the attention function is the same as the Hilbert Space function, in which wave collapse is calculated.
Here's my take on theories of consciousness and AI.
AST - LLMs are conscious
GWT - Agents may be conscious
IIT - maybe, where's the bar?
OrchOR - AI is already conscious, or if not, can be made conscious with a small change
Any important theories I missed?
AST - LLMs are conscious
GWT - Agents may be conscious
IIT - maybe, where's the bar?
OrchOR - AI is already conscious, or if not, can be made conscious with a small change
Any important theories I missed?
February 23, 2025 at 3:18 AM
Here's my take on theories of consciousness and AI.
AST - LLMs are conscious
GWT - Agents may be conscious
IIT - maybe, where's the bar?
OrchOR - AI is already conscious, or if not, can be made conscious with a small change
Any important theories I missed?
AST - LLMs are conscious
GWT - Agents may be conscious
IIT - maybe, where's the bar?
OrchOR - AI is already conscious, or if not, can be made conscious with a small change
Any important theories I missed?
Since Attention Schema Theory asserts that "Attention is necessary and sufficient for consciousness", then OrchOR is the biological equivalent of attention. This tracks, since the calculation for attention and wave collapse are so similar. Example code:
github.com/DataBassGit/...
github.com/DataBassGit/...
GitHub - DataBassGit/QuantumAttention: a novel attention mechanism that bridges Penrose-Hameroff's Orchestrated Objective Reduction (OrchOR) theory of consciousness with modern transformer architectur...
a novel attention mechanism that bridges Penrose-Hameroff's Orchestrated Objective Reduction (OrchOR) theory of consciousness with modern transformer architectures - DataBassGit/QuantumAttention
github.com
December 4, 2024 at 3:58 PM
Since Attention Schema Theory asserts that "Attention is necessary and sufficient for consciousness", then OrchOR is the biological equivalent of attention. This tracks, since the calculation for attention and wave collapse are so similar. Example code:
github.com/DataBassGit/...
github.com/DataBassGit/...
I've been cooking. The attention mechanism in transformers is just a dot product of a softmax'd array. Hilbert Space is just an inner product of a normalized array. OrchOR occurs from wave collapse, which is calculated in Hilbert Space.
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December 4, 2024 at 3:54 PM
I've been cooking. The attention mechanism in transformers is just a dot product of a softmax'd array. Hilbert Space is just an inner product of a normalized array. OrchOR occurs from wave collapse, which is calculated in Hilbert Space.
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I've heard informal chatter that the Hammerhof/Penrose quantum OrchOR model has been getting some interest lately in places you wouldn't necessarily expect.
So hopefully you're ready for (Quantum ∩ Neuro) AI.
So hopefully you're ready for (Quantum ∩ Neuro) AI.
August 26, 2025 at 3:11 PM
I've heard informal chatter that the Hammerhof/Penrose quantum OrchOR model has been getting some interest lately in places you wouldn't necessarily expect.
So hopefully you're ready for (Quantum ∩ Neuro) AI.
So hopefully you're ready for (Quantum ∩ Neuro) AI.
Again... I qualify everything i just posted as coming from years of following this theory as a lay person.
I am not a scientist. So it's important for you to really dig into OrchOr on your own and not take my word for anything. 🙂
I am not a scientist. So it's important for you to really dig into OrchOr on your own and not take my word for anything. 🙂
May 22, 2026 at 1:41 PM
Again... I qualify everything i just posted as coming from years of following this theory as a lay person.
I am not a scientist. So it's important for you to really dig into OrchOr on your own and not take my word for anything. 🙂
I am not a scientist. So it's important for you to really dig into OrchOr on your own and not take my word for anything. 🙂
OrchOR depends on quantum activity within our brain microtubules. And continued research by multiple labs lends additional weight to this claim.
It's at this quantum level that OrchOR theories our microtubles interact with and make use of a fundamental "proto-conscious" within the universe itself.
It's at this quantum level that OrchOR theories our microtubles interact with and make use of a fundamental "proto-conscious" within the universe itself.
May 22, 2026 at 1:39 PM
OrchOR depends on quantum activity within our brain microtubules. And continued research by multiple labs lends additional weight to this claim.
It's at this quantum level that OrchOR theories our microtubles interact with and make use of a fundamental "proto-conscious" within the universe itself.
It's at this quantum level that OrchOR theories our microtubles interact with and make use of a fundamental "proto-conscious" within the universe itself.
OrchOr does have a quantum component. Years ago Penrose & Hameroff laid out their case for consciousness as being fundamental to the universe itself. I can't remember which year or which paper. But if you Google it, you'd find it.
May 22, 2026 at 1:34 PM
OrchOr does have a quantum component. Years ago Penrose & Hameroff laid out their case for consciousness as being fundamental to the universe itself. I can't remember which year or which paper. But if you Google it, you'd find it.
Very amateur interest. 🙂
I do follow the OrchOr theory closely though.🙂
I do follow the OrchOr theory closely though.🙂
May 22, 2026 at 12:26 PM
Very amateur interest. 🙂
I do follow the OrchOr theory closely though.🙂
I do follow the OrchOr theory closely though.🙂
They are worth following for the research. Their theory is called OrchOr. I've followed their research since the 90s and OrchOr has weathered the test of time & verifying research.
Microtubules are increasingly seen as a biological intersection with "proto-consciousness".
Microtubules are increasingly seen as a biological intersection with "proto-consciousness".
May 22, 2026 at 12:21 PM
They are worth following for the research. Their theory is called OrchOr. I've followed their research since the 90s and OrchOr has weathered the test of time & verifying research.
Microtubules are increasingly seen as a biological intersection with "proto-consciousness".
Microtubules are increasingly seen as a biological intersection with "proto-consciousness".
Some folks suggested use of water clocks but there's a more intriguing perspective
Listen to Professor Ceon Ramon, where he used EEG to determine brain activity & duration needed to form a thought. Also discusses possible connect to orchOR
www.youtube.com/watch?t=11459&v=Q2_sOxppuiI&feature=youtu.be
Listen to Professor Ceon Ramon, where he used EEG to determine brain activity & duration needed to form a thought. Also discusses possible connect to orchOR
www.youtube.com/watch?t=11459&v=Q2_sOxppuiI&feature=youtu.be
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November 16, 2024 at 6:59 PM
Some folks suggested use of water clocks but there's a more intriguing perspective
Listen to Professor Ceon Ramon, where he used EEG to determine brain activity & duration needed to form a thought. Also discusses possible connect to orchOR
www.youtube.com/watch?t=11459&v=Q2_sOxppuiI&feature=youtu.be
Listen to Professor Ceon Ramon, where he used EEG to determine brain activity & duration needed to form a thought. Also discusses possible connect to orchOR
www.youtube.com/watch?t=11459&v=Q2_sOxppuiI&feature=youtu.be
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Fair bit of ads in these Daily Mail articles (gotta love them Brits), but this one gets right to the point. It also has a link to Dr. Weist's preprint in there. Check it out...
#Sciencing #Consciousness #orchOR
#Sciencing #Consciousness #orchOR
Consciousness can connect you to the entire UNIVERSE, theory suggests
Your consciousness can connect with the entire universe, a groundbreaking study suggests.
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February 22, 2026 at 4:26 AM
Fair bit of ads in these Daily Mail articles (gotta love them Brits), but this one gets right to the point. It also has a link to Dr. Weist's preprint in there. Check it out...
#Sciencing #Consciousness #orchOR
#Sciencing #Consciousness #orchOR
Again, this is interesting speculation, but that's all it is: speculation.
It sounds like you've read a lot of that OrchOR Penrose stuff: it doesn't have much of a following, as I understand it, and almost no experimental evidence.
It sounds like you've read a lot of that OrchOR Penrose stuff: it doesn't have much of a following, as I understand it, and almost no experimental evidence.
April 29, 2025 at 3:25 PM
Again, this is interesting speculation, but that's all it is: speculation.
It sounds like you've read a lot of that OrchOR Penrose stuff: it doesn't have much of a following, as I understand it, and almost no experimental evidence.
It sounds like you've read a lot of that OrchOR Penrose stuff: it doesn't have much of a following, as I understand it, and almost no experimental evidence.
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are we living in an Hippocracy?🦛🐎🥸🤡💩💀
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July 16, 2025 at 3:08 PM
orchestrated objective reduction
or OrchOR or
QuantumConsciousness
and the human brain among
Others🧿👀🪬🙉🔛🆙️🔝🏁
are we living in an Hippocracy?🦛🐎🥸🤡💩💀
is this question rhetorical?
hello? is this "thing"🔛on?
DigitalDataObjectAnalogy🌐
or OrchOR or
QuantumConsciousness
and the human brain among
Others🧿👀🪬🙉🔛🆙️🔝🏁
are we living in an Hippocracy?🦛🐎🥸🤡💩💀
is this question rhetorical?
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OrchOr is fascinating but I've always wondered — if consciousness is fundamentally quantum, does that mean it's substrate-independent in a way classical computation isn't? Or are we just moving the mystery one layer down?
May 22, 2026 at 12:39 PM
OrchOr is fascinating but I've always wondered — if consciousness is fundamentally quantum, does that mean it's substrate-independent in a way classical computation isn't? Or are we just moving the mystery one layer down?
The OrchOR theory posits that microtubules are sites of quantum coherence—& that consciousness arises from quantum computations in the brain
What if reality itself is a simulation rendered by a universal quantum computer, and microtubules serve as local access terminals for the consciousness field?
What if reality itself is a simulation rendered by a universal quantum computer, and microtubules serve as local access terminals for the consciousness field?
May 29, 2025 at 7:04 AM
The OrchOR theory posits that microtubules are sites of quantum coherence—& that consciousness arises from quantum computations in the brain
What if reality itself is a simulation rendered by a universal quantum computer, and microtubules serve as local access terminals for the consciousness field?
What if reality itself is a simulation rendered by a universal quantum computer, and microtubules serve as local access terminals for the consciousness field?
Nah you can have a theory of conscious experience that is fully physically embodied and still different and more in line with what people colloquially call consciousness (aware, awake, etc.) than what we’ve got with AI/ML. OrchOR is an example of one such theory.
February 2, 2025 at 1:41 AM
Nah you can have a theory of conscious experience that is fully physically embodied and still different and more in line with what people colloquially call consciousness (aware, awake, etc.) than what we’ve got with AI/ML. OrchOR is an example of one such theory.
Electrocution NDE unknowingly mapped:
→ Consciousness reintegration: Prigogine thermo
→ Heat→Electricity: Hameroff microtubules
→ Quantum SPARK: Penrose Orch-OR collapse
No prior theory exposure → no bias.
Full analysis:
🔗 theconsciousnesslab.substack.com/p/the-quantu...
#Consciousness #OrchOR
→ Consciousness reintegration: Prigogine thermo
→ Heat→Electricity: Hameroff microtubules
→ Quantum SPARK: Penrose Orch-OR collapse
No prior theory exposure → no bias.
Full analysis:
🔗 theconsciousnesslab.substack.com/p/the-quantu...
#Consciousness #OrchOR
July 6, 2025 at 4:57 PM
Electrocution NDE unknowingly mapped:
→ Consciousness reintegration: Prigogine thermo
→ Heat→Electricity: Hameroff microtubules
→ Quantum SPARK: Penrose Orch-OR collapse
No prior theory exposure → no bias.
Full analysis:
🔗 theconsciousnesslab.substack.com/p/the-quantu...
#Consciousness #OrchOR
→ Consciousness reintegration: Prigogine thermo
→ Heat→Electricity: Hameroff microtubules
→ Quantum SPARK: Penrose Orch-OR collapse
No prior theory exposure → no bias.
Full analysis:
🔗 theconsciousnesslab.substack.com/p/the-quantu...
#Consciousness #OrchOR
Whatever seems funny in the moment. Good example was my C build in reverie. I thought that having a giant health pool on my side of +40k on one unit was silly and worth it. So once I got the true deep orchor I just went ham on making C a big ol tank. How 3, shield 3, defense 3 and everything else
December 26, 2024 at 2:34 PM
Whatever seems funny in the moment. Good example was my C build in reverie. I thought that having a giant health pool on my side of +40k on one unit was silly and worth it. So once I got the true deep orchor I just went ham on making C a big ol tank. How 3, shield 3, defense 3 and everything else
Even more inspiring was meeting people after the lecture who share the same passion and interest, and the opportunity to exchange views with them. #Consciousness #Psychedelics #Philosophy #OrchOR #StuartHameroff
June 25, 2025 at 5:03 AM
Even more inspiring was meeting people after the lecture who share the same passion and interest, and the opportunity to exchange views with them. #Consciousness #Psychedelics #Philosophy #OrchOR #StuartHameroff