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[/quote] > **Off-topic:** > I find jwm + jwmkit + pactions work well for me. > > jwmkit_first_run then default > > and jwm changes to have an easy menu among other things. > > and > > theres a repo that has zzz which suspends linux disks. It still works in devuan. I don't know about debian though. > I mention this because, jwm uses SO little ram and resources. > > XFCE4 uses more I am sure. > > **Off-topic:** I do not worry about ram and other resources. I say this because I own 5 computers (2 desktop towers, 3 laptops). When it comes to memory, my primary and first desktop tower has 64 GB of memory which I am typing this post with using MX Linux. My second and backup desktop tower has 32 GB of memory. Two of my 14" laptop computers have 16 GB of memory which my wife and I use strictly for traveling purposes. My primary and third 14" laptop computer has 64 GB of memory which I use here at my home. When it comes to Desktop Environments (DE's), I have plenty of memory to handle anything which Xfce can throw at me since all five of my computers use Xfce with regards to my MX Linux and Debian distros. * * *

> Thought I would give an edit since I am now using my second SSD which is loaded with linux Debian 13.7 (Trixie) Xfce. Below is a screenshot (attachment) showing my Panel (Taskbar in Windows) which shows my linux Pale Moon and as a bonus, my linux Waterfox browser launcher icons. > > Keep in mind these two browsers are "not" the portable versions either. And the Waterfox browser uses the same method I use for Pale Moon since both browsers are "not" installed. Xfce is very easy to work with. **Off-topic:** I find jwm + jwmkit + pactions work well for me. jwmkit_first_run then default and jwm changes to have an easy menu among other things. and theres a repo that has zzz which suspends linux disks. It still works in devuan. I don't know about debian though. zzz is on github. I mention this because, jwm uses SO little ram and resources. XFCE4 uses more I am sure. Puppylinux has jwm has its default window manager for a reason. As for waterfox, I tried using it in the last month and it no longer allows me to put the search engine bar on the top right spot of my browser. Very odd. * * *

> Smart! You are one of those GUI power users. **Off-topic:** I believe in working smarter instead of harder. And using the Terminal is much harder to deal with when it comes to avoiding aggravation and frustration. Especially if one is a newcomer to linux distributions, linux applications and they are not a power user. * * *

> extract the Pale Moon folder from the tarball, then place the folder where they want it. In my case, I always place the extracted Pale Moon folder in my Documents folder which is in the Thunar file manager. > > Then all I do is add a launcher icon. Once that is done, I open Properties for the launcher with a right click and to sum up, create the path from the Pale Moon folder to the launcher icon along with creating the Pale Moon logo on the launcher icon and then I launch linux Pale Moon. All this is done by using gui windows. Smart! You are one of those GUI power users. * * *

Thought I would give an edit since I am now using my second SSD which is loaded with linux Debian 13.7 (Trixie) Xfce. Below is a screenshot (attachment) showing my Panel (Taskbar in Windows) which shows my linux Pale Moon and as a bonus, my linux Waterfox browser launcher icons. Keep in mind these two browsers are "not" the portable versions either. And the Waterfox browser uses the same method I use for Pale Moon since both browsers are "not" installed. Xfce is very easy to work with. * * *

@ andyprough I started using Debian at version 12.2 (Bookworm) with the Xfce desktop environment as my backup linux distro to MX Linux. On my second SSD, it is now running at the time of this post Debian 13.7 (Trixie). With Debian, one can choose the official "live" versions of Xfce, Gnome and KDE to see which of these DE's they would like "for a test drive" without installing Debian. https://www.debian.org/distrib/ If one chooses the Xfce desktop environment, one does "not" need to install Pale Moon to use it. Looking at the link and the comments you posted, at the bottom of the page, a person who is not a power user is going to be jolted by using the Terminal with those instructions. I would take a guess and say that would tend for people "not" to use Pale Moon. And I am the perfect example of this. Granted I am a little "tech savvy", but I only use the Terminal in Debian (and MX Linux) when I have to. With Xfce, one can download the Pale Moon tarball from the link below. https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml From there, if a person does not want to install Pale Moon, they can extract the Pale Moon folder from the tarball, then place the folder where they want it. In my case, I always place the extracted Pale Moon folder in my Documents folder which is in the Thunar file manager. Then all I do is add a launcher icon. Once that is done, I open Properties for the launcher with a right click and to sum up, create the path from the Pale Moon folder to the launcher icon along with creating the Pale Moon logo on the launcher icon and then I launch linux Pale Moon. All this is done by using gui windows. This allows me to "get away" from the using the Terminal. Works every time. And one can see my Pale Moon launcher icon by looking at the screenshot (attachment) below. It is near the right side of my Panel next to the left of the Firefox launcher icon, with all the the other launcher icons I use, on a regular basis. This works for both Debian and MX Linux so long as one is using the Xfce DE where they do "not" want, by choice, to have Pale Moon installed. Below is my example using the MX Linux distro's Panel since I am typing this post using the MX Linux. * * *

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Author Joshua James has recently written an extremely thorough article on installing the official Pale Moon tarball on Debian: https://linuxcapable.com/how-to-install ... ian-linux/ * * *

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A new article by Liam Proven about the many forks of Firefox and independently developed browsers that previously forked off from Firefox in TheRegister tech news site mentions Pale Moon and Basilisk today: https://www.theregister.com/software/20 ... ke/5297194 > The Pale Moon browser forked from Firefox long before even Firefox Quantum; it retains the look and feel of Firefox from version 4 to version 28, which is no longer available in Firefox itself. We first mentioned Pale Moon back in 2021 and again in connection with Cloudflare issues last year. It's actively maintained and current. > > There's also the Basilisk Browser, forked from a newer version of Firefox than Pale Moon and now maintained independently. Both of these support some older versions of Windows and macOS than modern Firefox. * * *

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