In this episode, Sadie takes us through the bizarre reasoning behind Fundamentalism's stipulation that the King James version is NOT ONLY the "best" version of the bible in English, but that it is actually not a translation, but God's own words, just as valid as the original texts in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. We also discuss how this belief leads to other fundie beliefs like quiverfull, and women wearing only skirts and no pants. 00:00 - The Bible IN ENGLISH is OLDER THAN THE EARTH 00:43 - Support us on Patron! 01:30 - Why do Fundies need a PERFECT Bible translation? 02:04 - Biblical Literalism 02:50 - Rules based on the bible? 03:23 - Skirts and Dresses, no pants for women 03:48 - BIBLE stands for "Basic instructions before leaving earth" 04:43 - Does the Bible solve modern problems? 05:19 - The LIVING Word of God 05:30 - Just as applicable today as it was when it was written 05:40 - Any commandment in the Bible is FOR YOU PERSONALLY 06:15 - Jonah and the Whale (Larry the Cucumber) 06:47 - Lessons from The Lord Of The Rings 07:55 - King George and the Ducky (David and Bathsheba) 08:30 - Modest is Hottest? 08:50 - Quiverfull, Psalm 127 09:45 - Arrows in the culture war 10:00 - No Birth Control 10:50 - Nirvana, Kurt Cobain, In Bloom 11:30 - Surrender your womb to Jesus 11:50 - Thank you to our Patrons! 13:23 - Why the King James version? 13:50 - The Bible HAS to be perfect or you can't base your life on it 14:06 - Psalm 12 14:20 - The words of the lord preserved forever 14:50 - Purified 7 Times 15:35 - Verbal Inspiration 17:40 - Psalm 12 again 18:00 - The Book of Judges 18:50 - Oral Recitation and Oral Tradition 20:10 - God Spoke the EXACT words to the scribes 20:35 - God did magic 21:12 - Perfect copies of the Torah 22:13 - God Preserved the Bible 22:30 - The Dead Sea Scrolls 23:25 - Homer's Odyssey and other epic poems 24:49 - Beowulf and Middle English 25:45 - Provenance 27:30 - The Library of Alexandria 27:40 - Standardized Greek Translation 29:36 - Many Translations existed 30:40 - Canonization of the gospels 34:03 - 2 Timothy and women being quiet in church 35:00 - God made sure they got it perfect 35:40 - The Textus Receptus 37:28 - The Vulgate of St. Jerome 38:30 - The Gutenberg Bible 40:07 - The Bible in Vernacular 40:40 - King James 41:30 - Masterpiece Bible Translation 43:42 - King james Version threw out the prior scripture 44:30 - Proliferation of the KJV 45:58 - Is the King James Version Obsolete? 47:10 - Word for Word translation vs. Thought by Thought translation 47:40 - The Comma Johanneum 48:50 - Fundamentalism and post-hoc justifications 49:25 - KVJO position 50:47 - RE-Inspiration of the King James 51:51 - John Chapter 1 52:15 - Looking at the Bible in context is higher criticism 52:42 - Jack Schaap and the Re-Inspiration controversy 54:04 - Manifest Destiny, Christian nationalism, and the King James Bible 55:20 - The End of Days, The Rapture, Jesus coming back CITATION: Harris, Stephen L. (1985), "The Pastoral Epistles", Understanding the Bible, Palo Alto: Mayfield, pp. 340–45 #kjvo #kjvonlyism #kjvonly #kjv #kjvbible #exfundie #exvangelical #deconstruction #culturapop Support the show by going to Patreon.Com/LeavingEdenPodcast! Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social TikTok: @LeavingEdenPodcast @SadieCarpenter1 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

In this episode, we review "Dating With a Purpose," which is an IFB purity culture dating manual targeted at teens and young adults in the IFB and at Hyles-Anderson college. It was written by Jack Schaap, who later went to prison for sexually abusing a child who was a student at Hammond Baptist High School, where he was chaplain. This book was central to Sadie's view of dating when she was a teenager and a young adult. We also discuss Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family's appearance in the Epstein files, and why abusers love purity culture so much. You can support our show by joining our Patreon at Patreon.Com/LeavingEdenPodcast In the Patreon extended version of this episode, Gavi (who is currently planning his wedding) reviews Jack Schaap's wedding planning advice. 00:00 - Intro: Valentine's Day 00:27 - Thank you to our patrons! 00:52 - James Dobson and the Epstein files 02:17 - "The same materials were used on me" 02:29 - Dating with a Purpose by Jack Schaap 02:40 - Why Jack Schaap Went To Prison 03:18 - I Kissed Dating Goodbye by Joshua Harris 03:36 - What is Purity Culture? From the Jonas Brothers to Mike Johnson 04:13 - Why did Jack Schaap write Dating with a Purpose? 05:50 - Career options for young women in fundamentalism 06:38 - It's almost like courtly love 07:50 - RULES RULES RULES 08:19 - Clear Cut Guidelines and knowing what to expect 09:24 - How old is old enough? 10:17 - The funnel, the pipeline, the plan for your life 10:54 - Fixing fundamentalism's demographic decline with a book 11:18 - Follow the rules and you will get a predictable outcome 11:48 - These rules aren't in the bible 12:29 - Jack Schaap's nonexistent excuses for making up his own rules 15:02 - What does "defraud" mean? Nobody knows. 15:48 - Your future wife is your property ex post facto 16:35 - The King David Defense 16:45 - Delayed Gratification 17:55 - Jack Schaap puts himself in the position of god 18:09 - THANK YOU TO OUR PATRONS! 19:32 - Laying out the case that purity culture promotes p*d*p*i*l*a 20:13 - James broke all the rules and his relationship is doomed 21:06 - Guilt lasts a lifetime! 22:01 - Everyone outside the IFB is doomed! 22:38 - Fundamentalism makes your marriage more difficult! 23:10 - Some actually good advice from Jack Schaap? 23:50 - The Fundamentalism Marriage Accelerator 24:10 - Slippery Slope purity argument 24:32 - Necking and Petting 25:02 - Even the "good" kids still get into trouble! 27:18 - Men are visual creatures who can't help themselves! 28:18 - Women are both temptresses, jezebels, succubi, and innocent and naive 29:03 - Dress standards are a tool of victim blaming culture 29:42 - Underage girls are forced by the church to apologize to their abusers for tempting them into sin 30:14 - Purity culture transforms normal men and boys into predators and creeps 32:08 - I was told I am a "sin waiting to happen" 32:59 - This book is full of terrible dating advice 33:22 - How to ask out a girl in (many) easy steps 33:45 - Staring at a woman is a great way to get her to like you 34:14 - This book promotes stalking 35:34 - Actually asking for a date 35:44 - How to AVOID a date with a guy you don't like 37:41 - More DECENT advice? 38:04 - "Don't turn down a first date" 39:17 - What is the DROOL POOL? 40:20 - Ocular Intercourse 41:17 - Is it worse than soaking? 42:02 - Relationship Stages Explained 42:26 - The "Dating" stage 42:39 - The "I Like You" stage 42:17 - The "Boyfriend Girlfriend" stage 42:38 - The "I Love You" stage 44:30 - The "Engagement" stage 44:51 - CAT (Meow Meow Meow Meow) 45:01 - Questions and Answers 45:40 - "I wanna marry Daddy when I grow up" 46:10 - More DECENT dating advice? A stopped clock is right twice a day 46:34 - What if your parents disagree with your pastor? 46:59 - Jealousy? 48:35 - This book is dumb, thanks for joining us Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social TikTok: @LeavingEdenPodcast @SadieCarpenter1 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

In this episode, we discuss what the early church actually was, and how Christianity was formed as much by Paul as it was by Jesus. Citations for claims about the authorship of the bible: 1. Tabor, J. D. (2013). Paul and Jesus: how the Apostle transformed Christianity. Simon & Schuster. 2. Tabor, J. (2025, June 10). The quest for the historical paul. Biblical Archaeology Society. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/the-quest-for-the-historical-paul/ Support this show by joining our patreon! Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Join our discord server! https://discord.gg/aneFkUJu Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Bluesky: @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social @gavihacohen.bsky.social Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ #exfundie #podcast #deconstruction #exvangelical #history #bible #earlychurch #romanempire #stpaul #religion

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