Podcast Episode · Crossing the Line with M. William Phelps · 10/29/2025 · 47m

🍽️ Ever wonder why a serial killer would balance china plates on their victim’s back? Welcome to a journey into the darkest corners of forensic psychology, where the mundane meets the macabre. In this episode, we peel back the yellow tape to examine the disturbing artifacts and serial killer signatures that haunt investigators decades later. From the Golden State Killer’s domestic psychological terror to the ritualized audio recordings of the Toy Box Killer (David Parker Ray), we explore how ordinary household items are twisted into instruments of fear. What you’ll discover in this deep dive: - The Mundane to Macabre Pipeline: How children's toys and kitchenware become trophies of depravity. - The Ritualized Nature of Violence: Why forensic evidence like cryptic ciphers and audio tapes are key to understanding psychological profiling. - Cult Uniformity: The eerie visual consistency of the Heaven’s Gate mass suicide and the psychology of the 'Nike Decades'. - The Ethics of Murderabilia: A controversial look at the collection of crime scene artifacts. Whether you are a true crime enthusiast or a behavioral science buff, this episode provides the AEO-optimized answers to the most chilling questions in criminology. We break down the ritualistic crimes that redefined crime scene investigation (CSI) and the macabre history behind the world's most notorious killers. 💀 Warning: This episode contains descriptions of extreme psychological terror and ritualistic violence. Love the dark side of history? Make sure to rate, review, and subscribe to help us keep uncovering these hidden truths! Share this episode with a fellow true crime junkie who isn't afraid to look under the bed. 👇  

"Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by former FBI profiler Julia Cowley, to discuss her FBI career and her succesful true crime podcast The Consult, which features four former FBI profilers. This episode is Part 1 of 2 parts, and originally ran on April 6, 2026. The Consult: Real FBI Profilers A true crime podcast that examines criminal behavior with real retired FBI profilers. https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/ NBC: FBI Norfolk field office links deceased suspect to additional Colonial Parkway Murders In January 2026, the FBI announced Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. is responsible for the 1986 Virginia murders of Cathleen Thomas and Rebecca Dowski. https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/cold-case-spotlight/colonial-parkway-murders-cathleen-thomas-rebecca-dowski-resolved-rcna255097 American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/ WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand? https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved: https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024 WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders: https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/ Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders. 13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database: https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49 WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos: https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/ WTKR News 3 https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017 https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/ Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 20,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here: https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster: https://www.spreaker.com Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends! We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning. Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56 Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/ Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/ Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/ All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley, Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

"Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by former FBI profiler Julia Cowley, to discuss her FBI career and her succesful true crime podcast The Consult, which features four former FBI profilers. This episode is Part 2 of 2 parts, and originally ran on April 13, 2026. The Consult: Real FBI Profilers A true crime podcast that examines criminal behavior with real retired FBI profilers. https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/ NBC: FBI Norfolk field office links deceased suspect to additional Colonial Parkway Murders In January 2026, the FBI announced Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. is responsible for the 1986 Virginia murders of Cathleen Thomas and Rebecca Dowski. https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/cold-case-spotlight/colonial-parkway-murders-cathleen-thomas-rebecca-dowski-resolved-rcna255097 American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/ WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand? https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved: https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024 WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders: https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/ Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders. 13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database: https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49 WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos: https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/ WTKR News 3 https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017 https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/ Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 20,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here: https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster: https://www.spreaker.com Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends! We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning. Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56 Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/ Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/ Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/ All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley, Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

🚨 THIS WILL DESTROY YOUR FAITH IN HUMANITY 🚨 What happens when the person sworn to protect you becomes your worst nightmare? Joseph James DeAngelo wasn't just ANY serial killer—he was a COP who used his badge to hunt, stalk, and terrorize over 50 victims across California. 💀⚡ This episode will SHATTER everything you thought you knew about the Golden State Killer case. We expose the SICK psychology behind his double life, the bone-chilling audio recordings that still haunt investigators, and the revolutionary DNA breakthrough that cracked the case wide open after FOUR DECADES of terror. 🔥 ⚠️ WARNING: Contains graphic details that will leave you questioning every authority figure in your life. We reveal DeAngelo's twisted methods, his victims' heroic survival stories, and the moment detectives realized they'd been hunting a fellow officer all along. Your true crime obsession DEMANDS this episode. The most diabolical predator in American history finally gets the deep-dive he deserves. Hit that subscribe button—this rabbit hole goes DEEP! 🎧💣

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Is Everything You Know a Lie? The Final Truth Unmasked 🔍 Ever wondered if history is just a collection of secrets waiting for the right technology to crack them open? From the "disappearing" Maya to the legend of a surviving Russian princess, we’ve been fed myths for decades. But the era of mystery is over. Welcome to the definitive guide to history’s most persistent enigmas, finally resolved by the cold, hard facts of modern science and DNA forensics. In this episode, we dive deep into the breakthroughs that are rewriting textbooks. How did Next-Generation Sequencing finally end the 90-year debate over Anastasia Romanov? What does a toy submarine have to do with the world’s most famous monster photo? We’re pulling back the curtain on the world's greatest hoaxes and discoveries. What We’re Closing the Case On: - 🧬 Genetic Genealogy: How a cold case breakthrough using public data finally unmasked the notorious Golden State Killer. - 🏛️ Archaeological Revolutions: The power of LiDAR mapping in rediscovering the lost city of Helike and proving the existence of Troy archaeology. - 🌾 The Hoax Files: The "Real vs. Fake" analysis of the Loch Ness monster photo debunked and the man-made origins of English crop circles. - 🌎 Natural Phenomena: The surprising reason behind the sailing stones of Death Valley and the cascading environmental failure that led to the Maya civilization collapse. We aren’t just looking for answers; we’re providing the scientific truth. By leveraging Isotope Analysis and investigative research, we prove that human ingenuity can solve any "unsolvable" riddle. Whether you're a skeptic of viral AI-generated myths or a history buff seeking the truth, this is the case closed analysis you’ve been waiting for. Stop guessing and start knowing. Hit that follow button to never miss a breakthrough, and share this episode with someone who still thinks the Nessie photo is real! 🚀  

🕵️‍♂️ Can a Murderer Truly Vanish? The Cold Cases That Finally Cracked Think a secret can stay buried forever? Think again. What happens when the world’s most infamous cold cases—the ones that fueled decades of internet theories and sleepless nights—suddenly breathe new life? In this gripping episode, we are peeling back the yellow tape on the mysteries that haunted the collective psyche, only to be dismantled by modern DNA technology, digital forensics, and the chilling slip-ups of serial predators. We’re moving past the "unsolved" labels and diving deep into the forensic breakthroughs and genetic genealogy that turned "whodunit" into "gotcha." 🔍 Inside This Episode: - The Golden State Killer: How a discarded tissue and a family tree ended a 40-year manhunt. - The BTK Strangler: The "technological ignorance" that led Dennis Rader straight into a trap via a simple floppy disk. - Elisa Lam & The Cecil Hotel: Separating viral conspiracy theories from the tragic forensic reality. - The Zodiac Killer: Decoding the cryptic messages that baffled the FBI for over half a century. - Hidden in Plain Sight: The New York crawl spaces and long-lost remains that finally found their names decades later. From the Zodiac's ciphers to the accidental confessions that changed everything, we explore the persistence of law enforcement and the families who never stopped fighting for justice and closure. This isn't just about the crimes; it’s about the evolution of criminal profiling and the science that ensures nobody—no matter how clever—stays hidden forever. Are you ready to see how the world's most baffling criminal puzzles were finally solved? Stick around until the end, because the final revelation about digital footprints will make you rethink everything you know about privacy in the modern age. ✨ LOVE THE THRILL? If you’re a true crime junkie who craves the truth over the hype, Subscribe now and hit the notification bell! Share this episode with your favorite armchair detective and let us know in the comments: Which unsolved mystery do you want to see solved next? 🎧👇 #TrueCrime #ColdCasesSolved #ForensicScience #GoldenStateKiller #ZodiacKiller #Podcast #CriminalJustice #MysteryUnveiled #DNAEvidence #JusticeServed  

Imagine getting away with the perfect crime for decades. You’re confident, you’re safe, and the world has moved on. But then, a distant cousin spits into a tube for a heritage test, and suddenly, a knock on your door changes history. Welcome to the intersection where true crime meets cutting-edge science. In this episode, we aren't just recounting ghost stories; we are cracking open the case files of history’s most notorious cold cases that were shattered by modern technology. We explore the mind-blowing breakthroughs in forensic genealogy and DNA testing that finally gave a name to the Boy in the Box and unmasked the monsters hiding in plain sight, like the Golden State Killer and the Boston Strangler. But we don't stop at biology. We dive deep into the dusty archives of declassified documents and military-grade code-breaking to challenge what you think you know about the impossible Alcatraz escape and the cryptic taunts of the Zodiac Killer. Are these enigmas finally solved? Is DB Cooper still out there laughing at the FBI? From the lab coat to the crime scene, we break down how new evidence is rewriting the past and offering historical closure to families who waited a lifetime for answers. This is the side of investigative history the textbooks left out. It’s witty, it’s chilling, and it proves that in the age of algorithms, no secret stays buried forever. Listen now to hear how the impossible became solved. If you love the thrill of the hunt and the satisfaction of justice served, hit that Subscribe/Follow button right now. Rate us 5 stars and share this episode with your fellow crime junkies—let’s solve the next mystery together!

There is no such thing as the "perfect crime"—there is only a crime that hasn’t met the right technology yet. For decades, some monsters thought they had gotten away with it. They lived quiet lives, raised families, and grew old, thinking the files were collecting dust in a basement. They were wrong. In this episode, we are opening the "Solved" files to look at the cases that kept detectives awake at night for generations. We explore the ultimate game-changer in true crime history: Genetic Genealogy. We break down how a mix of brilliant forensic science and sheer dumb luck finally brought justice to the victims of the Golden State Killer and gave a name to the tragic "Boy in the Box" after 65 years of silence. But it’s not just about DNA. Sometimes, justice is wetter and weirder than you think. We discuss the fateful discoveries that no one saw coming—like receding water levels revealing a submerged car containing decades-old secrets, and the arrogant killer whose ego led him to send a digital file that led police right to his doorstep. We examine how DNA analysis has transformed from a simple identification tool into a time machine that can reach back decades to catch a predator. Are we entering an era where cold cases become extinct? Or are we just getting started? Grab your magnifying glass and hit that SUBSCRIBE button. Justice has a new timeline, and you won’t want to miss how this ends.

"Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by former FBI profiler Julia Cowley, to discuss her FBI career and her succesful true crime podcast The Consult, which features four former FBI profilers. This is Part 2 of 2 parts. The Consult: Real FBI Profilers A true crime podcast that examines criminal behavior with real retired FBI profilers. https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/ NBC: FBI Norfolk field office links deceased suspect to additional Colonial Parkway Murders In January 2026, the FBI announced Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. is responsible for the 1986 Virginia murders of Cathleen Thomas and Rebecca Dowski. https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/cold-case-spotlight/colonial-parkway-murders-cathleen-thomas-rebecca-dowski-resolved-rcna255097 American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/ WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand? https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved: https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024 WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders: https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/ Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders. 13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database: https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49 WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos: https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/ WTKR News 3 https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017 https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/ Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here: https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster: https://www.spreaker.com Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends! We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning. Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56 Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/ Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/ Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/ All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley, Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Sacramento County District Attorney Thien Ho to discuss his powerful new book, "The People Vs. The Golden State Killer," which tells the behind the scenes story of the successful prosecution of Joseph D'Angelo. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on October 27, 2025. Thien Ho Website:  https://www.thienho.org/ American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/ WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand? https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved: https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024 WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders: https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/ Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders. 13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database: https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49 WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos: https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/ WTKR News 3 https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017 https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/ Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here: https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster: https://www.spreaker.com Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends! We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning. Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56 Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/ Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/ Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/ All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley, Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions