They're all Zizians at heart wanting to play dressup Sith/Sauron/Hollywood Nazi/Bond villain who can't comprehend valuing anything outside the hollow shells built around core wounds that they think of as themselves
None of them should be holding any social power
None of them should be holding any social power
October 5, 2026 at 2:27 AM
They're all Zizians at heart wanting to play dressup Sith/Sauron/Hollywood Nazi/Bond villain who can't comprehend valuing anything outside the hollow shells built around core wounds that they think of as themselves
None of them should be holding any social power
None of them should be holding any social power
Yudkowski and Rationalist philosophy is at the heart of all the weird sex-cult stuff that has come out about the AI boosterism.
(Also a separate actual murder cult, called the Zizians. Which you can Google.)
(Also a separate actual murder cult, called the Zizians. Which you can Google.)
October 4, 2026 at 11:31 PM
Yudkowski and Rationalist philosophy is at the heart of all the weird sex-cult stuff that has come out about the AI boosterism.
(Also a separate actual murder cult, called the Zizians. Which you can Google.)
(Also a separate actual murder cult, called the Zizians. Which you can Google.)
Behind the Bastards' bit on the Zizians still has the best explanation of all this shit I've ever heard, unfortunately. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJA...
October 4, 2026 at 5:31 PM
Behind the Bastards' bit on the Zizians still has the best explanation of all this shit I've ever heard, unfortunately. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJA...
I've tried to keep evil where I can see instead of letting crawling back under a rock behind me.
@timnitgebru.blacksky.app is completely right that they are vindictive and intimidate victims hard. They also try to exacerbate mental health problems in their victims as a crypsis strategy, ie Zizians.
@timnitgebru.blacksky.app is completely right that they are vindictive and intimidate victims hard. They also try to exacerbate mental health problems in their victims as a crypsis strategy, ie Zizians.
October 4, 2026 at 4:22 PM
I've tried to keep evil where I can see instead of letting crawling back under a rock behind me.
@timnitgebru.blacksky.app is completely right that they are vindictive and intimidate victims hard. They also try to exacerbate mental health problems in their victims as a crypsis strategy, ie Zizians.
@timnitgebru.blacksky.app is completely right that they are vindictive and intimidate victims hard. They also try to exacerbate mental health problems in their victims as a crypsis strategy, ie Zizians.
Fun fact, the Zizians have a connection to another fanfic (albeit nothing to do with the author), Worm. Ziz is the nickname for the third Endbringer, apocalyptic megacreatures that attack semi-randomly. Simurgh/Ziz looks angelic so at first was thought to be a savior from the other two.
October 3, 2026 at 7:41 PM
Fun fact, the Zizians have a connection to another fanfic (albeit nothing to do with the author), Worm. Ziz is the nickname for the third Endbringer, apocalyptic megacreatures that attack semi-randomly. Simurgh/Ziz looks angelic so at first was thought to be a savior from the other two.
Just gathered the strength to listen through a 4-part pod(Behind the Bastards) on the "Zizians" ... it's a lot.
October 3, 2026 at 6:09 PM
Just gathered the strength to listen through a 4-part pod(Behind the Bastards) on the "Zizians" ... it's a lot.
The other one is the Zizians, for those curious. Behind The Bastards did an informative series about them a while back. It's honestly kind of sad.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zizians
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zizians
Zizians - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
October 3, 2026 at 5:56 PM
The other one is the Zizians, for those curious. Behind The Bastards did an informative series about them a while back. It's honestly kind of sad.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zizians
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zizians
Amazing that he’s carrying guilt over the Zizians when they are probably the least evil spin off cult he’s responsible for.
They killed what, 4 people, mostly through unhinged schemes.
Meanwhile the richest people on the planet follow him and are killing millions.
They killed what, 4 people, mostly through unhinged schemes.
Meanwhile the richest people on the planet follow him and are killing millions.
October 3, 2026 at 3:49 AM
Amazing that he’s carrying guilt over the Zizians when they are probably the least evil spin off cult he’s responsible for.
They killed what, 4 people, mostly through unhinged schemes.
Meanwhile the richest people on the planet follow him and are killing millions.
They killed what, 4 people, mostly through unhinged schemes.
Meanwhile the richest people on the planet follow him and are killing millions.
since this has come up a few times i want to just say:
he's completely lying about how responsible he is for how the zizians turned out. they took classes at CFAR, his recruiting front, and their core schism-disputes were with Michael Vassar, one of Yudkowsky's periodic lieutenants
he's completely lying about how responsible he is for how the zizians turned out. they took classes at CFAR, his recruiting front, and their core schism-disputes were with Michael Vassar, one of Yudkowsky's periodic lieutenants
October 3, 2026 at 1:04 AM
since this has come up a few times i want to just say:
he's completely lying about how responsible he is for how the zizians turned out. they took classes at CFAR, his recruiting front, and their core schism-disputes were with Michael Vassar, one of Yudkowsky's periodic lieutenants
he's completely lying about how responsible he is for how the zizians turned out. they took classes at CFAR, his recruiting front, and their core schism-disputes were with Michael Vassar, one of Yudkowsky's periodic lieutenants
WHY … I consider myself moderately online … relative to the people I see and interact with daily I’m extremely online. I heard of the zizians a year ago or whatever but this douche canoe is new to me … WHY does he matter so much?
October 3, 2026 at 12:38 AM
WHY … I consider myself moderately online … relative to the people I see and interact with daily I’m extremely online. I heard of the zizians a year ago or whatever but this douche canoe is new to me … WHY does he matter so much?
I don't really think he is responsible for the Zizians in a legal or even moral sense, but I do think a rational (in the traditional sense of the word) person wants to make some changes if their blog posts results in a guy getting stabbed through the chest with a samurai sword.
October 2, 2026 at 11:29 PM
I don't really think he is responsible for the Zizians in a legal or even moral sense, but I do think a rational (in the traditional sense of the word) person wants to make some changes if their blog posts results in a guy getting stabbed through the chest with a samurai sword.
Is this the thing that tangentially gives rise to the zizians?
October 2, 2026 at 5:01 PM
Is this the thing that tangentially gives rise to the zizians?
These BtB episodes go over the origins of this concept that we have to be nice to the AI God or it will torture us forever in robot hell once it gains control. Roko's Basilisk.
"I have no mouth but most scream," ripoffs.
cult stuff www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qGh...
"I have no mouth but most scream," ripoffs.
cult stuff www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qGh...
CZM Rewind: How The Zizians Went Full On Death Cult & The Zizian Murder Spree (or Exactly How Har...
YouTube video by Behind the Bastards
www.youtube.com
October 1, 2026 at 9:48 PM
These BtB episodes go over the origins of this concept that we have to be nice to the AI God or it will torture us forever in robot hell once it gains control. Roko's Basilisk.
"I have no mouth but most scream," ripoffs.
cult stuff www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qGh...
"I have no mouth but most scream," ripoffs.
cult stuff www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qGh...
learning about rationalists/EA/zizians, very weird and bad!
October 1, 2026 at 7:05 PM
learning about rationalists/EA/zizians, very weird and bad!
Once you understand this, it's easier to understand the history of a group like the Zizians, who are mostly portrayed as a curio item. Rather, they were an obvious consequence of this apocalypticist project, the exact kind of strange agents such a machine called for in its need for self-destruction.
October 1, 2026 at 6:52 PM
Once you understand this, it's easier to understand the history of a group like the Zizians, who are mostly portrayed as a curio item. Rather, they were an obvious consequence of this apocalypticist project, the exact kind of strange agents such a machine called for in its need for self-destruction.
Žižek for zizians: The ultimate Sublime Object of Ideology is the Robot.
like, i don't know what to do about this. some of the people whom i have met who are most committed to humane if slightly insane values are insisting that they intend to become collateral damage for inscrutable reasons if anyone goes after the people they themselves believe are insane racists.
right, exactly. i am adjacent to rationalists because i have worked alongside rationalists for a decade. some are very earnest EA monks who more or less give away the huge amount of money they make. some are neoreactionaries with essentially Satanic values. the monks and neoreactionaries get along.
September 30, 2026 at 12:50 AM
Žižek for zizians: The ultimate Sublime Object of Ideology is the Robot.
just submitted the book manuscript (10 months late), hoping this converts the advance contract into a publishing contract, and I also blame bluesky for the page here
September 29, 2026 at 4:17 PM
just submitted the book manuscript (10 months late), hoping this converts the advance contract into a publishing contract, and I also blame bluesky for the page here
HP fanfic writers have killed more people than Manson did and responsible for more SA as well. Whether it’s the Zizians or the HPMor Folks behind LLM nonsense.
Charles Manson could write a Beach Boys song, but could he write Harry Potter fanfic?
September 29, 2026 at 12:01 PM
HP fanfic writers have killed more people than Manson did and responsible for more SA as well. Whether it’s the Zizians or the HPMor Folks behind LLM nonsense.
Behind The Bastards podcast did a multi part episode on the murderous cult inspired by that fan fiction, the Zizians. And so much more. And I'm not kidding, at least 6 people were killed by them.
September 29, 2026 at 5:21 AM
Behind The Bastards podcast did a multi part episode on the murderous cult inspired by that fan fiction, the Zizians. And so much more. And I'm not kidding, at least 6 people were killed by them.
Rationalists. The group Zizians split from.
September 29, 2026 at 3:23 AM
Rationalists. The group Zizians split from.
I was cleaning out my office this week and found some swag from a JREF/skeptics convention in 2014. Turns out I had that dumb HP rationality fanfic book all this time. Trying to bring my spouse up to speed starting from “have you ever heard of Eliezer Yudkowski” through the basilisk and Zizians…wow
September 29, 2026 at 2:44 AM
I was cleaning out my office this week and found some swag from a JREF/skeptics convention in 2014. Turns out I had that dumb HP rationality fanfic book all this time. Trying to bring my spouse up to speed starting from “have you ever heard of Eliezer Yudkowski” through the basilisk and Zizians…wow
The one that gave rise to the Zizians and pretty much 100% overlaps at least the leadership of the big Bay Area AI companies.
September 29, 2026 at 2:06 AM
The one that gave rise to the Zizians and pretty much 100% overlaps at least the leadership of the big Bay Area AI companies.
@iwriteok.bsky.social I just listened to Zizians Quadrilogy of Behind the Bastards
I am a very happy and well adjusted person, but if you ever do take your goats on the road, please come to Pittsburgh.
I want to pet them and look into their weird little eyes.
I am a very happy and well adjusted person, but if you ever do take your goats on the road, please come to Pittsburgh.
I want to pet them and look into their weird little eyes.
September 29, 2026 at 12:52 AM
@iwriteok.bsky.social I just listened to Zizians Quadrilogy of Behind the Bastards
I am a very happy and well adjusted person, but if you ever do take your goats on the road, please come to Pittsburgh.
I want to pet them and look into their weird little eyes.
I am a very happy and well adjusted person, but if you ever do take your goats on the road, please come to Pittsburgh.
I want to pet them and look into their weird little eyes.